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Posted in History, News, Quote by homeyra on January 27, 2007

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Trial Watch

Of course the people do not want war.

But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it is a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.

That is easy.

All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism.

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Thank you PeoPlesGeoGraphy … “so angry right now at the smarmy, taken for granted talk of a war … ” 1 & 2 … “Believe it, don’t believe it, that’s up to you. But at least we should know what exactly he said …”

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  1. servant said, on January 27, 2007 at 4:36 pm

    Not only should history be compulsory, failure to pass ought to incur the death penalty. Since those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it, it follows that such people are too stupid to live and they represent a real danger to the rest of us. If they were only harming themselves it would be a different matter, but we are all in this together.

    Never give in to fascism. Especially Israelofascism.

  2. pen Name said, on January 27, 2007 at 5:13 pm

    Homeyra:

    I think many Americans like war becuase they think that they can win – for them war is a like a video game where they drop their bombs and other people will die with no consequence to them or to US.

  3. homeyra said, on January 27, 2007 at 5:23 pm

    Pen
    🙂
    Maybe… but … I guess same all over the world … if they get those video games!
    There is no crime of which I do not deem myself capable.

    Serv:
    I am against anything-go-fascism. Even kindness-o-fascism! 🙂

  4. pen Name said, on January 27, 2007 at 6:09 pm

    Homeyra:

    “There is no crime of which I do not deem myself capable.” is true as far as it goes. But we in Iran are neither capable nor interested in attacking other states. US will attack Iran becuase it can and enjoys it not because Iran is a threat to her security, or prosperity, or well-being.

  5. peoplesgeography said, on January 28, 2007 at 1:26 am

    Homie Thanks for the pomengranated links 😉 I think we ought to inaugurate that permanently – they look so good there! Just to let you know I have restored On War II – after posting what felt like an angry outburst I put it back in draft mode, a little (?) angst-ridden at the folly of it all …

    Now that’s an interesting phrase: “kindness-o-fascism”! I haven’t killed anyone with kindness yet, have you? But I suppose there can be a tyranny of that too.

  6. homeyra said, on January 28, 2007 at 5:27 am

    Thank you PPGG!
    Ben must have more than one drawing one could use as a peace logo. As I cannot open properly his page, can you check on that please? Let’s collect them.
    Both your posts were very interesting, the perspective of the first one was totally new to me.
    I am not sure about the “kindness-0-fascism”, but some might get taxed of “Peace-o-fascism”!

  7. naj said, on January 28, 2007 at 6:28 am

    This Goering quotations was being circulated (to a spamming extent, even) just before the war with Iraq broke! Truth is, when you are threatened, you prefer to don’t leave anything to chance!

    Pen, aggression can be an inherent biological property, but research is showing that it is a characteristic of species with certian genetic/ chemical composition. (read the works of Stephan Suomi, on long-short allele stuff!) “Normal” humans, do not just “like to attack”.

    Gee where did you go to school? Horr highschool?! 😉

  8. naj said, on January 28, 2007 at 6:29 am

    Homie, edit me please, yuck what errors! 🙂
    I better go dodo now.

  9. homeyra said, on January 28, 2007 at 6:40 am

    Geez … I don’t even know what are the latest spams! I am only updated on those strength vs length things!
    Bon dodo 🙂

  10. pen Name said, on January 28, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Naj:

    Aggression (violence) is inherent in the world of animals.

    Even sex is a form of violence and without aggression of men there would be no babies.

    Wake up from your mental slumber and smell the coffee!

  11. iranfacts said, on January 28, 2007 at 10:53 pm

    Pen, sweetie, maybe you can wake up from your nightmare and smell the flowers and we’ll get to see eachother’s eyes somewhere in between!

    Speaking of agression, there is evolutionary violence, there is pathological violence. It’s important to speak precisely about biobehavior, and to keep in mind that animals do vary in the complexity of social rules of instinctual communication.

  12. naj said, on January 28, 2007 at 10:55 pm

    Homie,
    I thought strength versus length things get filtered out! 😉

  13. homeyra said, on January 28, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    Not those not those! Spam box full of it…. 🙂

  14. pen Name said, on January 29, 2007 at 1:52 am

    Homeyra:

    You should not have sensored my comments. It is bad form.

  15. 99 said, on January 29, 2007 at 5:01 am

    Balderdash! Someone’s blog is something like someone’s diary, or telephone, or sitting room. You don’t continue to take calls from someone whose speech is not okay with you; you don’t let them into your sitting room; you certainly don’t let them scribble in your diary!

    Plus, what is actually bad form is to make one’s other guests endure a rude or otherwise unwelcome presence.

  16. peoplesgeography said, on January 29, 2007 at 5:13 am

    I support 99’s sentiments above. Homeyra has every right to accept or choose to reject any comment she deems inappropriate on her blog. Homeyra has been unfailingly gracious and accommodating, and I trust her discerning judgment and excellent character.

  17. peoplesgeography said, on January 29, 2007 at 5:16 am

    That’s an excellent idea to collect Ben’s peace art, Homie. I wonder if I download and rename them, whether they would then appear for you? I’ll try anyway. I think Ben should start looking into putting them all together into a nice coffee table book — what do you think? 😉

  18. pen Name said, on January 29, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    So let me get this straight: A public place that one publishes one’s ideas and thoughts is only a one way channel of communication – that which one disagrees with (in langauage or content) is censored.

    I submit to you then that such a WebLog becomes a one-way advertisement for the self – i.e. a form of narcissism.

    Specifically about the Weblog:

    Its owner advertises herself as a post-Modern Persian – yet she censors.

    I will refrain from posting anything further on this Weblog – it seems dedicated to self-promotion and not discussion, to internal tribal jokes and not promotion of understanding.

  19. 99 said, on January 29, 2007 at 3:23 pm

    Pfeh.

  20. naj said, on January 29, 2007 at 5:21 pm

    Dear Pen,

    Did I miss that wave of post-modernity that coerces people to publishing what they see unfit? I didn’t imagine post-modernism advocates being judgmental and snappy!

  21. homeyra said, on January 29, 2007 at 5:38 pm

    Unhappy costumer wants his money back, with due interest.
    Few facts about a “Personal Blog”:
    It is personal.
    It is partial.
    According to Technocrati there are 55 millions of them. I don’t know, read or like them all. I am not offended if this is also true the other way.
    A friend wrote: get a blog, if not get a life.


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